Thursday, February 24, 2011

Fluoride Poisoning?

Dear Dr. Ellie:

I have been following your program for several years and have been doing so faithfully. I eat TONS of your mints. However, I have had symptoms of fluoride poisoning that could be another cause.

I have not been doing the fluoride rinse for a few weeks and with all the mints I use I wonder if this is a problem.

Be well,


Dear T:

Xylitol and ACT work differently.

To repair teeth you need to use these two ingredients in tandem - in the system I recommend.

How the system works is outlined in my book Kiss Your Dentist Goodbye.

Without fluoride you will probably slow any enamel repairs.

Whether this is a problem or not depends on how high your risk is for damaged teeth or plaque build up.

If you have experienced a lot of cavities in the past - be careful and be sure you are doing the right thing.

So much fear is generated around the subject of fluoride - some correct but much is incorrect and must be called what it is - fear-mongering.

I have put the entire chapter about fluoride taken from my book - for you to read at

Who diagnosed your fluoride poisoning?


My Big Mistake

Dear Dr. Ellie:

I have been devouring your website and blog.

I thought I was doing myself a favor by eliminating fluoride from our water and toothpastes. I have been brushing with baking soda and hydrgen peroxide. To my horror, I noticed a hole at the gumline of a tooth with slightly sensitive and realize that my gums are indeed receeding. I see from your site your concerns about this combination of products causing precisely that.

I want to try your protocol right away and yes, I will even break down and use the ACT fluoride rinse. =) I have 3 questions.

1. I'd like to substitute a "toothpaste" powder made from xylitol crystals and sea salt. Would this be okay instead of using crest....i just want to avoid the SLS and the closys toothpaste is expensive.

2. I am reading about your timelines...6 months to notice improvement. My concern is this. What if my receeding gums improve and move "over" the hole/cavity at the gum line. What if this cavity does not heal, could it then be below the gum line and cause worse problems? Do I have any hope of remedying both the "cavity" and the gum recession with the protocol?

3. Do you have any experience with white oak bark and receeding gums?

Any ideas/opinoins would be so appreciated. I know your time is extremely valuable.

Thanks for your work. 

Hi CK,

I am leaving in the morning for a very busy conference weekend.

I wanted to reply. I get many messages like yours.

I advise the use of the products that I recommend - in the order that I recommend - and then you will notice improvements that I describe.

Use your own concoctions and you will get different outcomes.

I want to make a video for the "health- seeking" community and tell you that making up your own potions - can put you on the wrong path - and be aware that oral health = general health.

BIOFILM is the key - just like intestinal biofilm is the key to disease immunity.

When you start mixing your own toothpastes or making your own Closys - I cannot any longer help you.

You are creating your own chemistry lab.

I take NO responsibility for the outcome.

I doubt you will be successful - because finding this system was not easy - it took decades of observation and patient questioning- for years and years and years.

I am sorry that people in the "health" world have scared you with their partial knowledge and closed minds.

They have already caused people to take out "silver" fillings and replace them with BPA fillings - which I believe may be worse.

Hang onto your hats - breathe - trust in nature.

I can assure you that all the close friends and family that have used my system have experienced years and years of exceptional oral and general health.

Don't be scared by the scaremongers.

I have addressed the concerns of SLS on my blog already.

I understand sensitivities to this - but if you find the correct Crest Cavity Protection paste - the chemistry of this paste attaches the SLS in such a way (to the silica) that it does not become a concern.

I have now placed the ENTIRE chapter on fluoride out of my book on my website

Please consider using what I recommend - not some mushed together mixture of your own.


I am sad when people tell me that "my system does not work "- but I ALWAYS discover they have changed something.

I have given you all my knowledge - everything you need to know - everything is in your local stores - these are not even my products.

What else can I do?

I am not annoyed - just frantic because I have so many messages from people who are suffering oral problems but they want to invent their own system and tell me about it.

Sorry - but I cannot help them or you if you decide to make your own system.

My advice is simply - use the system I recommend - use it the way I advise - BUT if you don't like it - you are on your own.

All I wish is your health.


Tuesday, February 22, 2011

From other sites

We are thrilled whenever we are mentioned on other sites and blogs, here are a few links from Christian Homekeeper.

Here is a link to the original post :

And here is Bev's update:

Thanks so much for spreading the word!

"So Glad I Found Your Website"

Dear Dr. Ellie,

One of the reasons I had been convinced by the dentist that I needed new crowns was because of the yellow appearance on the biting surface of natural teeth opposite crowns, where there had been "pathological grinding," I am sure that you know what they are referring to. The dentist says this is not harmful. Does the yellow appearance mean that there is little to no enamel there?

I am so happy to have found and read your website. I am mostly happy for my daughter! I am determined that she will not have my troubles, and your system is an answer to prayer. Your program provides a tried and true, practical way for me to help her keep her beautiful healthy teeth.

As for those yellow patches of mine, do you think it is possible that they can be reversed by using your system? I will inform my dentist about your website and book.

If I understand your system correctly, you are killing off the mutans by making the mouth an inhospitable place for them. If a person stops using your system, he could be re-infected. I'm guessing that even if you stopped, after ridding yourself of the mutans, you would be mutans free for some period of time.

Thanks for enduring my over-long email, but even more thanks for what you have done for people everywhere. I wish you all the best in continued success.



Hi EP,

If your question is can dental disease be stopped - basically YES.

Does it return? - well, that depends on balancing the mouth into a state that sustains ultimate oral health.
To do that you have to evaluate your "risk factors" for dental disease.

You are correct - for me (an older female with stress in my life) I NEED some extra help! A young healthy male - may have all the healthy factors he needs to avoid dental problems.

Everything comes into this equation - hormones, age, diet, body chemistry, stress factors, mouth breathing, general health etc.

BUT: Mouth acidity is the cause of all dental problems.

Mouth acidity either stimulates growth of acid-loving germs or ( in the case of your erosion) it softens up the tooth surface. Sometimes germs enter the soft tooth surface, sometimes the soft tooth surfaces erodes away as you bite together.

It sounds as if your teeth have been exposed to strong acidity - (? acid reflux or lemon/vinegar drinks) or something that has added to salivary acidity - acidic sweets or candies. Citrus acids and stomach acids are usually the strongest acids that teeth have to deal with.

The acidity can wreck even more havoc on teeth if they are unprotected - in other words, if you lack a natural protective layer on your teeth or if you are not using the correct oral care products to protect them.

People with erosion problems lack a natural healthy "biofilm" or "pellicle".

This natural "cover" for teeth is a healthy layer - formed by nature - and it should cover your teeth to protect them.

This layer forms naturally in a healthy mouth - made up of saliva proteins and healthy bacteria.

This layer should protect your teeth from chemical, thermal and mechanical damage (like grinding your teeth.).

Dry mouth can damage this natural layer, as can baking soda, harsh abrasives ( in many toothpastes and during dental cleanings) medicines like antibiotics, and also peroxide.

Dental treatments may be good, but understanding how to stop your problems is the most important thing you can do.

Best Wishes,

Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

Healing Time for Cavities

Hi again, Dr Ellie.

It's been 6 months since my cavities were discovered. I've tried to stay consistent with your program but haven't been perfect. I know, it's so easy--yet I manage to do stupid things like forgetting to bring my Zellies to work with me and falling asleep without brushing :(

I just had another cleaning this week (which didn't take long at all, whereas cleanings used to take FOREVER due to the extensive plaque buildup on my teeth). The hygienist of course took the opportunity to nag me about getting those cavities filled. She did say 'hopefully they haven't gotten any worse'. She knows where the cavities are is it a good sign that she couldn't see any obvious decay during the cleaning? Or could there be a lot of decay lurking under the surface even though the teeth *look* OK?

If a cavity reads in the low 20's on the Diagnodent, how much would you say it could progress in 6 months based on your experience?

I *promise* to do the system consistently from now on...I'm just worried now that it's too late and the cavities may have progressed beyond repair. I have experienced very occasional, very mild discomfort in these teeth, but no throbbing or severe pain. I even wonder if it might just be in my head; this has happened to me with other teeth that proved to have nothing wrong with them.

PPS - Thanks for saving me from the pain, suffering, bloodshed, and chiding from the hygienist that cleanings used to entail! I can't believe how quick and relatively painless it is since I discovered your system. You are truly a godsend. Thank you!! 
 - J

Hi Jamie,

You must protect your damaged teeth - because if you take enough xylitol each day - you will be safe and protected -If you forget - you are at risk!

Yeikes - please be careful!

On the other hand, Diagnodent readings measure extremely small "starter" cavities and make them sound terrible!

Here are what the readings mean:
11-20 are very minimal in the outside of the enamel ( totally reversible in my opinion).
21- 30 are still minimal in the enamel only - and again ( in my opinion) should be allowed to naturally reverse if the patient is interested in avoiding a filling.
Only a reading 30 + is decay under the enamel - and then, with good care, you can probably reverse it (if you work hard).

So - I don't think you have to worry here!

What if you put a bag of xylitol packets in your purse - you can add some granules to water and sip that at work?

We have free shipping now - and the xylitol packs of 100 packets are not really expensive in the scheme of things!

Hope this helps - keep on the system!!!

Maybe we need to create a magnetic calendar for your refrigerator - to mark off the days you have enough xylitol!

I see this as a "smile" calendar with reminders !! Know anyone who could create this? Ha! Take care - and thanks so much for your message - I think you are doing great!


Australia and Healthy Teeth

Hello Ellie,

Just finished reading your book and enjoyed it very much. All the positive reviews on Amazon were correct.

Being quite consciences about my diet and the ph of my blood it made a lot of sense about the ph in ones mouth. As you know the same is true with your blood.

Can one still floss on your program and if so at what stage of the program? I have one tooth that always catches food, it is where a filling is and it needs the food removed with floss. I have flossed for about 20years so it would be a bit strange not doing it.

Most of the ingredients in your program can be brought here in Australia. The only one that can not be brought is ACT Anticavity rinse. We only have a few mouth washes here and they contain alcohol in them and you say in your book to avoid them. There is one that can be brought here, Natural Dentist Healthy Teeth (the ingredients are below), can this one be used? If not do you have any other suggestions?

Look forwards to your reply,


Natural Dentist Healthy Teeth Anti-Cavity Fluoride Rinse Fresh Mint 500ml

Formulated to
Fight Cavities
Strengthen Tooth Enamel
Freshen Breath

No Alcohol or Artificial Ingredients

ADA Accepted (American Dental Association)

The Natural Dentist® was created by a dentist to provide effective oral care for his patients' teeth and gums. Because our products are formulated with a scientific blend of natural ingredients, you don't have to choose between natural and effective.

Cruelty-Free Product

Active Ingredients:

Sodium Fluoride (0.05%) (0.02% w/v Fluoride Ion) (Anticavity)

Inactive Ingredients:

Water Purified, Vegetable Glycerin, Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Gel, Sodium Phosphate Monobasic, Xylitol, Natural Flavors, Olivamidopropyl Betaine (sourced from olives), Citric Acid, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Menthol

Hi D,

I will answer your questions in reverse order (Well, you are in Australia on the upside-down side of the world after all! Ha!)

You will have to experiment and find which rinses makes your teeth FEEL the best.

I think Natural dentist will be an OK substitute for ACT.

One day if you have a friend traveling to Switzerland, Greece or the US - ask if they can bring you some ACT - and just feel the difference!

We all have challenges and have to find a compromise.

Until you have ACT in Australia - you will do the best you can to find products that work.

I think you have made a good choice for now.

I am not against flossing - I just think people generally have the impression that you achieve oralhealth by flossing - which is not true.

We must eradicate the bacteria of dental disease for oral health.

Floss moves bacteria around - but cannot clean saliva of this infection- obviously.

By using my system of xylitol and the rinses I recommend - you will remove bacteria from your entire mouth ( not just between teeth).

Here is the link to the timeline:

Its fine to floss to remove food particles - no problem.

But try to be gentle to your gums - that is my warning.

I suggest you floss BEFORE you start the mouth rinse system - so that it is not an interruption to the "flow" of the system where you need to use one rinse directly before the next etc.

The only time I am anxious and would suggest NOT flossing would be for women with "sensitive teeth" - who do not have decay - but "all" their teeth hurt.

Also for those with bad oral health, heavy plaque deposits and have risk factors for heart disease or stroke.

I believe that flossing may push bacteria into their blood stream and may make their situation acute.

Best wishes,

Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

Baby Tooth Decay

Hi Ellie,

I’m so sorry to bother you. My aunt just found out that her 2 year old son has tooth decay and the doctor is telling them it is from her breastfeeding him at night. She had never taken her son to the dentist until now because her pediatriction told her that they take care of the teeth until the kid is 2 and then they go to the dentist. Is this correct?

I have a 7 month old who is just starting to get teeth and now I’m freaking out. What do I do, what can be done. I found your products and I’ve forwarded the link to everyone I know who has kids. But I’m unsure how to use them, what is the best option and so on. My son was premature and I freak out all the time when it comes to him. Again, I’m sorry to bother you but from what I’ve researched you seem the person who knows what to do or at least make sense. Thanks,


Hi C,

Inaccurate information about breast milk makes me crazy! I intend to make a video and publish it to my website soon.

I have written some short answers for you - as a document - which I intend to use with my video.

This text is below.

I tried to put the facts in a clear fashion - then I will add video with each portion in the next couple of weeks!

I hope this helps you both learn how to control dental disease, and continue to enjoy the benefits and healthy habit of breast feeding.

Cavities are NOT a mysterious disease - and you DON'T have to be so worried.

You must protect your children from harmful bacteria - and so you should be taking xylitol each day - everyone in the family!

Your aunt should use ACT bubblegum or mint ( one drop to brush onto teeth twice a day).

A two year old is too young to rinse - but ACT rinse makes an excellent "toothpaste" to brush on teeth.

One drop will be enough ( + the xylitol) to help heal cavities.

Best Wishes,

Tooth Decay is a disease - This disease causes cavities.
Like other “diseases” tooth decay infection can spread as the bacteria responsible for forming cavities transfer from person to person.

The bacteria that form cavities are found on teeth (stuck together as plaque) but are mostly spread to other people when they float in the saliva from your mouth.

Droplets of saliva spread the disease of cavities during a kiss or when people share drinks or food. Most families have the same bacteria, because they are eating from the same dishes, kissing and hugging. Be aware that babysitters and grandparents may also infect a small child. Studies have shown that children can pick up cavity bacteria during day care.

What makes a cavity happen?
As explained above, first you have to get infected with cavity bacteria.
Once you are infected, these bacteria need sugars and carbohydrates to grow and multiply.

Unfortunately every time we eat or drink, these bacteria can take sugar out of the foods we eat as they pass through the mouth. Almost all foods have sugars that feed these bacteria – so you cannot really control them by worrying too much about what you eat. For babies, formula milk, juice and even breast milk have sugars in them that can feed these cavity-forming bacteria.

As cavity bacteria grow, they produce two things that damage teeth. They produce sticky threads that help them stick together (forming plaque,) and acids – that make this plaque layer acidic and corrosive – so acidic it will damage the tooth underneath it.

What can stop cavities?
Some people think you can starve the bacteria by not eating sugar. This is not very effective – since these bacteria use ANY carbohydrate from foods. This is why a mother should not stop breastfeeding – breast milk is not the problem – bacteria are the problem!

Some people think you can brush or floss these bacteria away. It’s impossible to remove bacteria with a brush or thread. If you had an infection on your finger, Ino one would suggest brushing the germs away!

The best way to stop cavities is to ERADICATE cavity-forming germs from teeth, the skin of your mouth and from saliva. Then there will be no germs to feed! When you breastfeed baby, there will be no risk of feeding cavity-forming bacteria.

Thursday, February 17, 2011

Crest Question

Hi there,

Im kinda of confuse about which one is the right toothpaste, because there are two Crest regular paste; one that says anti-cavity and the other cavity protection.. Can you please clear to me which one is the right one to use with your system?.. Thanks.
Dear JM

It is very confusing!
Maybe Crest want it that way!

There are lots of pictures to help with this - on my website -

Scroll down to the downloadable booklets about the system.
Here is a link to the "cliff notes" of the book:

Hope this helps!

Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

Mouth Care System

Dr. Phillips,

I have been using the Zellies mouth care system for a while now (maybe a year or so?), and something is happening that is worrying me. I have brown patches on a few of my lower teeth. I have never had this problem before I started using the system. Do you have any idea what might be causing this?

Specifically, the inside of my left lower tooth (incisor?) has brown where the curve is (like a u shape). Also, there is brown between a couple of my lower front teeth. The teeth appear to be totally clean (like never before!), yet this brown stain has appeared.

I was wondering which element of the mouth care system whitens the teeth?

Thanks for any insight.


Hi E,

The problem of staining is a great discussion!

The link below will take you to a time line - showing the various stages when you use xylitol and the rinse system.

You will see that it takes some months for the sticky plaque bacteria on your teeth and in your saliva to "die off".

If these bacteria are attached to the soft cementum or stuck between teeth - they can die off and may not get washed away.

Then can remain stuck to the tooth surface as a dark stain - waiting for your next dental cleaning to remove them.

This stain is dead debris - harmless - but it looks annoying.

Think of it as dead leaves that fall off trees in the fall.

I am trying to figure out a way for people to safely remove this stain for themselves - but I have not managed to figure out a way to do this yet.

It is superficial but stuck very tight.

Here is the timeline: 

This stain that you see is dead stuff - and your gums will now be healthier because the plaque has died and gone. Once this stain is removed - (if you stay on the system) - it will stay gone!

Below is the description from my website (under the Complete Mouth Care System).

If you follow the link you will see a graph showing how xylitol works and a discussion about this stain (at the bottom of the page). 

Most people notice a cleaner, fresher mouth within the first week of using Zellies Complete Mouth Care System. As plaque bacteria absorb xylitol, they become less sticky and usually are easily brushed off teeth with a toothbrush.

If you have routine plaque and tartar, you will begin to notice a difference in your oral health in about 5 weeks, as harmful plaque bacteria are removed from the surfaces of teeth. After 6 months, you should have your teeth cleaned in a dental office.

If you have heavily infected plaque deposits when you start using Zellies Complete Mouth Care System, dead bacteria may form a dark band of stain along the gum line. It can be easily cleaned off your teeth at your next dental cleaning and is unlikely to return if you remain on the system.

Hope this puts your mind at rest!

Let me know if you have any other questions,

Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

The Right Toothbrush


Quick follow up question: In your suggested system, would you specifically recommend to avoid using electric toothbrushes, such as Oral B and Sonicare? I own one of each and each has been a step in my search to improve my dental and gum health.



Hi BH,

Personally I feel the important focus for achieving Ultimate Oral Health is to ELIMINATE harmful plaque from the MOUTH (and that includes harmful bacteria on the teeth, tongue, mucous membranes and even the ones in saliva).

I believe this kind of elimination of disease bacteria is best achieved with the daily use of xylitol, correct toothpaste and rinse protocols and a good mineral-rich diet that should include probiotics.

Toothbrushing can help stimulate gum circulation - and probably this contributes to reducing gum inflammation.

A a good brush is important - but I feel most people can easily achieve brushing with a manual brush (unless they have disabilities).

I think "electric/rotary" brushes work - but they are a good profit item and are often sold to patients as a cure - which they are not.

Rotary/electric brushes may be shown (in convincing studies) to remove plaque better than a manual.

BUT remember - xylitol removes plaque bacteria completely over time - from teeth, the mouth and SALIVA ( and no brush can do that!)

Here is more detail with a graph of the disappearing bacteria:  

Here is another time line of the progress of my system: 

More important that anything for a brush, I believe, is keeping it clean and germ free.

Many thanks for your question,


Cracked Tooth

Dear Dr. Ellie,

I am very excited about starting your program. My question is about a cracked tooth that is VERY sensitive to cold. It is in a tooth with a large filling done years ago. The dentist told me I need a crown and I want to know if your system can help the tooth with the incomplete crack or if a crown or root canal are the only options at this point. The dentist said I could wait but it is a gamble because the tooth may break apart and if it cracks to the root the only option then is a root canal. I am a cancer patient taking high doses of Zometa and I want to avoid any invasive dental procedures due to the risk of osteonecrosis of the jaw. Is it possible to “heal” the crack? If your system would help, how long before I could expect to see results? The tooth hurts pretty much all the time (just a dull pressure) but it is horrible if anything cold hits it. It doesn’t wake me up at night but has gotten worse in the past few days. I also have sensitivity on my lower wisdom teeth due to root exposure. Will your system help that problem too? Thanks so much for your time. I started the program last night and was excited to hear my dentist talk about some of the same things today. I told him about your program. He felt that because my mouth was in excellent shape (no tartar, gums were healthy etc.) that I only needed the Act rinse, but I am committed to the whole program. I just want to know if it will help the current problem.




Thanks for your question.

I like to be an optimist but it sounds as if this specific tooth has problems that may go beyond the realm of my system.

My system is an amazing way to PREVENT dental issues.

If you start soon enough teeth will not break, fillings will not leak, and dental work will not deteriorate.

Unfortunately most people are looking for help at a point a little beyond the preventive point!

I think you are on the boarder line - and may have reached this point - where the damage is too great.

Splintering cracks can cut the nerve - and the nerve is not going to be repaired with this natural process.

On the other hand, your dentist is giving you optimistic feedback - and he is the one doing the diagnosis.

I think that is encouraging. I am glad he is a supporter of ACT.

If you use the system completely (with xylitol and everything) - you will be able to go back in six months and AMAZE him with your oral health!

I don't think you have anything to loose - so why not give this a try and see how your mouth feels?

Remember to include enough xylitol into your day - either as Zellies mints or dissolve granular xylitol in water and sip it during the day.

Good nutrition with adequate minerals is also important - for your general health as well as your teeth!

Closys is available in Walgreens - or on our website.

Your dentist may be able to get it for you - once we convince him what a great product it is!

Do not add any flavor to the Closys - use it before you brush.

Make sure you have the correct Crest toothpaste.

All these small details are important.

There are a lot of booklets - some you can print up to read - and many with pictures to explain the details - check my website 

They are under the heading of Complete Mouth Care System.

Best Wishes,

Dr.Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

Complete Mouth Care For The Family

Dr. Ellie,

About two weeks ago, I discovered your blog when I was searching for tips to help improve my son's oral hygiene--he has braces and has been having a difficult time getting the plaque off his teeth even with guidance from the ortho techs and with supervision from me. His gums had swollen to the point that they were almost over his brackets. In addition, at his last dental cleaning, the hygienist said there was some decalcification on his teeth due to poor brushing and flossing, and that he would have white spots on his teeth when his braces were removed. I began searching for any solution I could find to help prevent more damage (I had no idea we could possibly reverse the damage already done). I devoured your blog, and immediately revamped our medicine cabinet, replacing our "fancy" toothpastes with plain old original Crest, stocking up on the rinses, and ordering some xylitol--several brands/flavors so I could compare.

My family began using your Clean White Teeth system--the whole shebang--the Closys, the original Crest, the Listerine, the ACT, and the xylitol. I typed up instructions and taped them to our bathroom walls. For the record, I am substituting store brands for the Listerine and ACT, carefully comparing ingredients, in order to save money (which I will discuss more below). I am very pleased with the results I have noticed in so little a period of time. My teeth feel amazing, and my breath is much improved, especially in the morning (I thought "morning breath" was simply a fact of life). I had a dentist checkup yesterday and the cleaning wasn't nearly as bad (painful) as they usually had been, and I am confident that the next time will be even better. The hygienist asked me if I was flossing daily, and I said no (I do it maybe twice a week. My teeth are very close and getting the floss between some of them is a struggle, even with the Glide floss). She checked my gums on the inside of my top teeth after I told her I wasn't flossing every day, and the right side of my mouth had 3mm pockets, which she said was just in the normal range (I think the left side had 1 mm pockets). She insisted I needed to floss daily to prevent bone loss in my jaw. However, from what I have read, bone loss is caused by gum disease and gum disease can be reversed/avoided by your system, yes?

The progress with my son is slow, but I think we are getting there. It's still too early to tell with my son, as far as the appearance of his gums, but he did say his teeth felt cleaner and his gums didn't hurt as much after a few days on the system. He's still missing plaque when he brushes which the ortho tech showed me last week at his visit -- she scraped off some plaque and showed it to us. He brushes for 2 minutes, uses a soft brush and circular motions like the hygienist showed him, and pays special attention to the areas surrounding his braces, but is still having trouble! We'll keep working on it. I am hoping as we continue with the system, the amount of plaque will be reduced and he will have an easier time getting all of it off. My only concern about the system is the expense. I agree that prevention is preferable to treatment, and that my family's health is paramount, but the expense is quite prohibitive when one is treating a family of four that is concurrently digging itself out of debt. I have to balance physical health with financial health, and it is a challenge.

I mentioned substituting the Listerine and ACT with store brands, and as I said, I'm still having phenomenal results. I know you recommend the system exactly as stated, but as I said, I have to balance my family's physical health with our financial health. Perhaps in the future when our financial situation is better, I will upgrade to the store brands to see if there is any difference. I just thought you might like to hear from a "guinea pig" testing store brands on herself and having success ;-) As for the CloSYS, I wanted to share with your readers that Walgreens is currently offering it on sale through February 26th -- $3 off. The box I purchased contained a coupon for $2 off, which I applied to my next purchase, for a total of $5 off the second box. In addition, yesterday I discovered that the CloSYS website offers $3 off coupons that can be printed from your computer (up to 4 coupons per month). I plan to stock up this month to save.

As for the Zellies, I want to tell you that I have purchased several xylitol "mints" in different flavors and brands, hoping to find the best yet least expensive solution. Comparing Zellies, Spry, and Ricochet brands, I have to say, as far as texture goes, Zellies win by a mile. They are long-lasting and full of flavor. I liked the flavors of the others as well, but the Ricochet dissolve very quickly (thus not staying in the mouth as long), and the Spry are only moderately less expensive. I was lucky enough to find the mint flavored Zellies at a local grocery store for $9.99, which is quite a bit cheaper than online (taking shipping into account), but it appears this store will shortly stop carrying them, as yesterday I saw the remainder of the supply on clearance (so I purchased some at $6.99 per bottle, saving even more :-) ).

The recommended amount of Zellies is 13 mints per day (for 6.5 grams of xylitol). Multiply this by four, as there are four in our family, and that by 30, for a month's supply, and that comes to 1,560 mints per month, which would require 7 bottles of Zellies per month. At $12.50 a bottle, this comes to $87.50 per month, and that doesn't take into account shipping. Just for the mints, not including the CloSYS and the Listerine and the ACT. As that $87.50+ has to come out of our food budget, sadly I don't see us being able to afford the Zellies, or even the Spry. I'm looking for the least expensive solution.

I'm sure many others would like to commit fully to your system, but when it's cheaper (with health insurance) to get a filling each month than to buy a month's worth of Zellies, the expense just doesn't seem feasible. However, having tried your system and having noticed such a huge difference already, I am committed to doing as much as we can reasonably afford.

What do you think of simply taking a 1/2 teaspoonful of pure xylitol crystals (which would be 2 grams of xylitol), and kind of swishing it around in the mouth after meals, rubbing it onto the teeth with your tongue? That would get 3 exposures of xylitol per day, and another 1/4 teaspoon could be consumed after a snack or at some other time of day, to get a total of 7 grams per day. I found NOW xylitol crystals on for $17.39 for 2 1/2 lbs. (if 2 bags were purchased, it would qualify for free shipping). A 2 1/2 lb. bag would supply a total of 1,130 grams of xylitol, enough to supply a family of 4 for 43 days. It tastes almost exactly like sugar, so I don't think I'd have any trouble getting the kids to take it. The kids are at school during the day, so dissolving it in a glass of water for them to sip all day isn't possible. Perhaps as time passes, xylitol will become more popular and the cost of it will decrease, allowing your company to reduce the price of Zellies enough to make it affordable for people in all financial situations. After all, sugar is less than $5 for 5 lbs! Until that day, however, I have to make do any way I can. I'll reserve the Zellies for when we are away from home and for an occasional "treat." They really are good, very high quality mints.

At any rate, I was just hoping to share with others some ways of saving money while sticking as closely to your system as possible. I am truly grateful to you for sharing this information with the public.

A couple of questions, if you don't mind. I have noticed some white discoloration on my teeth just at the gum-line. I am assuming these are areas of demineralization due to my previous poor dental hygiene habits? They are not tartar, as I just had my teeth professionally cleaned and they are still there. Should I expect these areas to return to their "normal" color over time as I continue on the system? Also, after checking my x-rays and my mouth with the probe, the dentist said I had no cavities, but I have noticed some dark spots on the chewing surface of one of my molars, and on the side of another (in that little crevice on the side of the molar). Are these areas of cavities that are beginning to form? I didn't think to ask at the dentist, and neither he nor the hygienist mentioned them, which suggests they aren't concerned by them. Might I expect those to go away as time passes on your system? Thanks so much!


Dear AT:

I think you are doing an excellent job !

You will read in my book that using granular xylitol will be fine - you can mix and match to your heart's content - and of course, suit your lifestyle.

It sounds as if your son is in great need of good xylitol - so make sure he has enough exposures and frequency.

I am also wondering what he drinks? Soda, sports drinks?

It would be good if he could have a Zellie to eat after every drink he has - even at school.

Until his gums return to normal it is essential that he has enough xylitol each day.

The granular xylitol can certainly keep costs down -

A one pound bag will give you about 100 teaspoons - enough for one person for three months!

Be warned - check the labels - some companies add silica ( sand) to their xylitol and others mix it will cheaper sweeteners - not pure xylitol.

Zellies xylitol is from birch trees and is US derived - the very best - of course!

Truly - find whatever you can that works for your xylitol - but don't scrimp on the ACT nor on the Listerine.

ACT is usually cheapest in Target - and Listerine can be purchased by the gallon in some of the superstores like BJs or the equivalent.

Cut down on the amount you use each time - only half as much will still work as well as filling the little cup to the brim.

But use the right stuff or you will be missing out.

Although the active ingredients are the same, the inactive ingredients are not - and you will have a lesser effect.

(my book explains why).

Try the real thing - then you will notice the difference with the store brands.

If you start with the substitute - you will never know the difference.

I have tried to digest your entire story and do a little investigative thinking as to why your son is not being successful.

I think you need to ensure he has a good toothbrush.

Also he should keep this brush very clean - and be aware that toilet bacteria can infect gums.

This is why you MUST keep your toothbrush away from any toilet area - and clean brushes daily - never store in bags.

Allow the brush to dry completely between uses.

Finally - If you want Meijers to keep Zellies I will need your help.

I would love to keep the product in Meijers - but it did not sell well enough when it was first introduced last summer.

I wish they had put mint and fruit Zellies - but they only stocked the mint mints.

I need you and all your friends, dentists and anyone else to write notes to Meijers. Do you have a Facebook page? Let's ask them NOT to stop Zellies!

You are obviously in need of my help - and I need yours to stay in Meijers!!

Let's work together and get your oral health perfect - and pressure Meijers to keep Zellies on their shelves!!

Thanks so much for your message,


Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

Zero Listerine

Dear Dr. Ellie:

I use all the products recommended on the website .... is the new Zero Listerine without alcohol ok to use in place of regular Listerine?

- C

Hi C,

I know my system using either Original or Cool Mint Listerine WORKS - every time.

( To whiten teeth the Original seems to work a little better than the Cool Mint).

I cannot tell you about new products that appear in the marketplace.

To determine if they are better I would need to do a randomized clinical trial - very expensive - and beyond my means!

Therefore I can only tell you what I have seen work - over and over and over and over again - for everyone who uses my system properly.

I know that even slight changes - when people mix and match toothpaste, or buy a generic fluoride - the results are not the same.

I can tell you - I am not changing my routine!!

I will continue to use a system that has sustained my oral health, keeping my gums and teeth in perfect condition for over 30 years with only one or two professional cleanings and no fillings or other dental work necessary!!

Dr. Ellie

Sunday, February 13, 2011


Hi, Dr. Ellie.
I wanted to write to let you know that I just got back from my six-month cleaning. I couldn't be happier. I have never gotten so much praise from a hygienist before: "I am looking for tarter and there just isn't any." "I give you an A on home care." "There hasn't been a speck of blood." "This is one of the easiest cleanings I have ever done." It was awesome. No cavities detected in the examination from the dentist either! I did bring in an empty bottle of Cloysis as he hadn't heard of it before - I told him about the "system" and he was supportive. My favorite part of the visit was when the hygienist, sounding a little concerned, asked me: "Now, how often do you brush." I reassured her that it was only twice a day - in the morning and before I go to bed. She smiled and said, "Good. I just wanted to make sure you weren't brushing too often."

I absolutely love your system. One of my favorite benefits was that I don't have "morning breath" anymore. It's pretty much completely gone. It's a great feeling to wake up in the morning with clean teeth and clean mouth. I wish that I would have been on this system years ago.

I will definitely be staying on your system - and encouraging others to be on it as well. My biggest problem is that I love Zellies too much and fly through the mints faster than I can order them.


Hi C,

Thank you so much for this wonderful story.

I hope it will be OK to share your good news with others.

We will not put your name on the blog - but I would like to post this to encourage others.

As we watch Cairo have a social media revolution - I think perhaps now is the time that the public will learn the truth about teeth and how easy it is to maintain oral health.

Don't forget to keep your tooth brush clean - and also to keep up with your Zellies!

We should have offered a Valentine's Kiss Your Dentist Goodbye offer of a free book to the dentist who has been the most open minded!

How about I send a copy of my book to either you or to him ( or how about I send it to you to give to him!)

Just send me your address and I will put one in the mail!

Best Wishes and again - thanks for sharing your check up story!

Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health

Arresting Dental Caries

Hi Dr. Ellie,

I discovered you and your book "Kiss Your Dentist Goodbye" while purchasing "Sweeten Your Life the Xylitol Way" on Amazon.

(I had been using xylitol for about nine months at that point and one day realized I no longer had that thick plaque on my teeth... I am 34 and have had that plaque as long as I can remember... until xylitol. Inspired, I began researching & learning more about xylitol.)

I added your book to my order & read it as soon as it arrived. I have since recommended it and your blog to family & friends.

I will give you my question first, then fill in the details.

How can we arrest (possibly reverse?) a carious lesion in the dentin (near the pulp) of my 11-year-old daughter's deciduous molar?

I believe it is an approximal lesion.

A few weeks ago, her dentist extracted the molar in the same position on the opposite side (both are on top) after the filling had failed and an abscess developed.

He wants to perform a root canal on the current lesion. I have not yet asked him if it had already cavitated.

Having a tooth extracted and potentially needing a root canal on the next... motivated her to begin using xylitol regularly and be more diligent about her oral hygiene. After a few weeks of xylitol plus solid oral hygiene, she no longer has the thick plaque that used to be there even after she brushed (like I also used to!). She now follows your complete clean white teeth system: twice a day she rinses with CloSYS, then brushes with Crest regular fluoride toothpaste, followed by Listerine and ACT. (We also added using a Water Pik after the CloSYS, which recently started making her gums around her infected tooth bleed, even though she's using pressure of about 4/10.)

We have mostly eliminated refined sugars and are trying to get good dental nutrition (including milk & cheese). Also cod liver oil and high vitamin butter (not sure if there's anything to that, but can't see how it would hurt).

Thanks for your time and the benefit of your experience,


Hi Jason,

I think you are on exactly the right pathway.

I cannot tell if this will be in time to protect the deciduous molar from its existing cavity - but at least you will stop the progression of the disease.

The best news is that these changes will develop a healthy oral ecology for your daughter and an oral environment that is healthy for her mouth, her teeth and her general health.

If your dentist is a reasonable person to talk with?

My suggestion is to discuss the possibility of waiting a while before filling this tooth.

Ask him to guide you - maybe monitor again in 4 months?

Throw everything you can at this tooth for the next four to six months.

You are already doing great - but ENSURE you remember to clean your toothbrushes very regularly or change them out often.

(This is why we sell Zellies toothbrushes on our website in boxes of 25!!)

Keep an eye on the frequency of your xylitol usage - it is important for multiple exposures daily - about 5-10 grams total - in any way you like; mints, gum, granular.

It sounds as if you are already on this regimen.

Finally get all the family involved.

This is a transmissible disease - and you don't want her to get re-infected.

Anyone likely to kiss her or share food - should at least be on the xylitol part of the program.

I think we need "certificates of kissability" - for people to carry around in their pockets! Ha!

I am optimistic for your daughter's dental future - but I am not sure if you can reverse the deciduous tooth.

It sounds as if the nerve may have already become infected.

Providing she has no pain or sensitivity - I would keep doing the program - under the watchful eye of your dentist.

Perhaps we can make him a believer too!

Thanks for your message and please keep me posted with the end of the story.

Happy Valentine's Weekend - lots of healthy kissing!

Best Wishes,

Dr. Ellie Phillips DDS
Solutions for Oral Health